Events leading up to this reset have been building over several months with Xavier XV, the executor of OF Sound Mind, becoming more and more tyrannical in diplomatic relations with neighboring allies. The final catalyst, while seemingly insignificant in itself tipped the flood of issues over the edge.
The event happened on the 25th of July in the Severance system of KBP while hunting a group of pirate macharials who are known to use neutral booster lokis. A Sev3rance fleet and a SOUND fleet engaged at the same time and members of the Sev3rance fleet tackled a loki that was neutral to them. It happened to be a neutral alt flying in the SOUND fleet. Cease fire was requested in local and done so. However a VOLT member who was in the area and who had engaged (and disengaged) with Severance made some comments in local.
[22:45:32] Jenny Rims > severance, i am not red (Neutral Loki)
[22:45:57] b4dg3r Jenny Rims is blue
[22:46:03] b4dg3r > stop shooting
[22:46:08] Crumeth > kill the cunt (Uninvolved Individual)
[22:46:33] Leylla Gainsborought > lol#
[22:46:42] Heinrich Hoss > lol i stopped like 30 seconds ago
[22:46:44] Heinrich Hoss > y u so mad guise
[22:46:46] Heinrich Hoss > rage much
[22:46:47] Heinrich Hoss > :D
Fire on the loki by Heinrich had stopped according to logs provided at 22:46:07
[2013.07.25 22:46:07 ] (combat) 14 to Jenny Rims[O I](Loki) - Valkyrie II - Hits
As a response to the comments XavierVE ordered Heinrich killed in local:
[22:46:55] XavierVE > Time to die, asshole
The kill order was given fourty-eight seconds after Heinrich had stopped firing. Heinrich was killed a minute latter at 22:48.
While the order to kill Heinrich was questionable it was not the end of the world. Several FCs within the bloc have voiced they likely would have made similar decisions and in this matter where supportive of XavierVE's command decisions. The problems begin in XavierVE's next comment in local.
22:50:34] XavierVE > Heinrich, send me one of your diplos, so I can tell him to put his dick up his own ass. Fly safe
Normal policy on blue on blue incidents is to reimburse the loss. Initial diplomacy seemed to start out cordially (Ignoring the comments in local) with XavierVE notifying Volt Diplos why he had made the call and a firm refusale to reimburse. VOLT diplos pushed, requesting the navy omen being reimbursed and requesting a apology over his local comments and tone. After this point things start to get heated with VOLT threating to name SOUND a public enemy and XavierVE calling VOLT a pile of shit.
With mails flying around it is at this point that diplomats from Sev3rance and CVA get involved trying to calm the situation down. Early Sunday (28th) morning Equinox officially requested that SOUND repay the omen. In other discussions he was growing concerned with XaviersVE's attitude towards other diplomats and was concerned that he was going ot have to expell SOUND from the powerbloc because of XavierVE.
Xavier firmly refused
From: XavierVE
Sent: 2013.07.29 22:00
To: Equinox Daedalus, June Ting,
Hello Equinox,
With all the shit-slinging and drama that VOLT has stirred up over our killing of Heinrich for attacking a neutral alt of CVA's who was in our fleet, we're going to decline repaying the Omen Navy Issue to them. He does not deserve a reimbursement and we will not be providing one.
And yes, we know what that means.
XavierVE
Alliance Leader
Of Sound Mind
In response Equi made the decision to request that SOUND return sov for which they would be fairly compensated. At the same time a notice was sent out to CVA CEOs to make sure corporations were prepared for a Sov War campaign incase it came to this. A internal mail was leaked to SOUND which was than forwarded to Equi.
Xaviers final response:
From: XavierVE
Sent: 2013.07.29 22:47
To: Equinox Daedalus, June Ting,
Hola Equinox,
We've done nothing to provoke the situation. With hostiles on field, I defended my fleet from someone while he smacked at us in local. I would do the same in any situation, no matter who was aggressing. We do not believe in subsidizing bad behavior.
Our sin is defending a neutral from a hostile, shit-talking, resident of a holder alliance in Providence. That's not the Providence I remember from being a rank newbie to EVE, it's not the Providence that Aralis would be proud of. We have opened our space to neutrals, only to see them shot at again and again when we roam around by "blues." You are going to reset and attack us for defending our fleet and not rewarding people shooting at neutrals.
What you call abrasive to everyone in leadership roles, I call talking plainly. You don't have to guess with anything my leadership team has ever said. We tell your our position, bluntly. If you want a cadre of weak-kneed leadership types afraid to speak their minds, so be it. It's just not who we are.
Our position is as it always has been. That we should be left alone to practice NRDS in Providence with the KOS checker as a loyal ally, as we have done for years... and that people who shoot at neutrals in fleets be given no coddling when they whine about the consequences of that act. I'd argue with you extensively about this, but I know your mind is made up.
It is your right to reset us and attack us if that's what you want to do. We will be in our home until our home is no longer accessible.
Best wishes,Four hours latter SOUND were set to neutral by CVA and purged from provibloc voice comms and forums. While standings had been reset to neutral and SOUND had lost most access (they retained regional intel access and access to the internal leadership diplo channel) they had not been made KOS as there were hopes that there still might be a diplomatic solution. However after the station name change was noted and the banner on their killboard was changed showing that they had an internal spy who was screenshoting comments made by CVA members KOS admins made the decision to finalize the reset and SOUND were set KOS.
XavierVE
Alliance Leader
Of Sound Mind
As of this moment Operations are happening in the area to remove usability and assets from SOUND systems. All Provibloc members are encouraged to attend CTAs announced in P-Fleet.
Altogether these recent turn of events have sadden a large number of provi-bloc members. Many have fond memories of working with SOUND FCs and members. In the end, a post from another provi-bloc executor probably sums everything up best.
For the record I must state that SOUND are generally great guys, they have done a lot of good around Providence and certainly deserved their place among holders. They have and will always have my respect for their tireless efforts. However, when it comes to the past (few) week(s) there seems to have been a steady decline in diplomatic relations and civility. I was not there to witness it all personally, but from the logs I have seen, the language used by Xavier was fairly colorful. Since then they have blatantly posted screen shots of secure forums on their website, they have renamed their stations to taunt us further...
It isn't that we don't want to back down... I, and everyone else in leadership, want a peaceful diplomatic solution... However, the choice isn't ours. This escalated in such a way that the ball is now in Xaviers corner... CVA and VOLT diplos did all they could to prevent this... and I still wish they would have succeeded... However, it seems SOUND has their mind set on war... why? no clue...
If SOUND wants this to end... then they need to return to the table, sit down, and negotiate in a civil manner. They claim that all they want is respect... but the thing is... the way Xavier spoke to his allies... is respect-less... so if they want the respect that they deserve for all their efforts in Providence (because yes, they do deserve respect for that) then they need to, like I said, return to the table, sit down and negotiate in a civil manner. CVA and VOLT are not evil, I know them to be fairly reasonable and respectful... however, when met with a respect-less attitude and verbal abuse for days without end... what else can they do apart from upping the bet? Apart from issuing the ultimatum that was issued...
So, sadly, unless SOUND returns to the table with a clear intent to end the fighting... no one in this will back down...Several Edits: Combat logs adjusted after new logs turned in, added more local log.
Bombers Bar likes this news. See y'all in space.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Bombers Bar will do a better job than their attempt last night? I would sure hope so if I was them.
ReplyDeleteSadly, Sound Mind is going to learn the hard way that you reap what you sow. Their deaths are going to be as pitiful and pointless as the impotent harassment from their ignorant executor.
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Starting a civil war doesn't seem particularly impotent....
Deletewhile everyone knows, that Xavier is in fact some sort of an bigmouthy asshole and has proven that several times now.
ReplyDeletethe entire rather minor incident is being overrated, pushed up to the current lvl from both sides and the final descision is clearly wrong.
Sound has to be set back to blue and their space is not to be touched, their much more worth than some other holders, that i would prefer to be booted.
i for my part, wont participate in any action against them and would rather support them and kill all of you CVAs and co, if that wouldnt cause more drama, affecting my corp and alliance.
so im damned to sit and watch, which freaks me out.
but to sounds notice, it wouldnt be bad, if you could get rid of Xavier, atleast from leading positions, so he cant cause more drama for your entire alliance and the good ppl of sound anymore, he has done that to often now, its time for a change.
and just for the protocol: im not saying shut your mouths or play CVAs lapdog like other holders do, but do your thing more gently.
"but to sounds notice, it wouldnt be bad, if you could get rid of Xavier"
ReplyDeleteXavier is SOUND there is no SOUND without him.
BB, was nice to see you last night 0/
Viva la ignorancia !
ReplyDeleteCome bomber bars, we want to kill you some more!
ReplyDeleteOmenGate really does show CVA (and Providence's) true colors. I hear more turned up for the CTA to evict SOUND than any of their previous defensive ops... nice coalition you have there.
ReplyDeleteYeh it just shows you it was a long time coming, behave like a asshole and you will be treeated as such.
DeleteThe only thing it really shows that provibears mostly flock to fight the fights they are sure to win. The fact is SOUND is probably the most competent small to medium gang PVP entity in Provi today and will surely be missed by PVPers in north Provi.
Deleteunfortunately, this is so close to the truth, as it can be.
Deleteand it saddens me alot, to see more than 300 showing up to shoot on their most valuable brothers, just for the fuckup of 1 asshole dictator and on the other side, whiny bitches...but when shit hits the fan, youll have a hard time to even see a full fleet at all.
thats not the provi we have built from nothing and not the provi we wanted to rebuild after our, thx to another fail descision, kickout and return...
its a goddamn shame what it has become nowadays.
i curse you all.
apart from those who tried to deescalate and kept it calm and with some kind of social competence.
XavierVE isn't an asshole. He's just worn out from dealing with bullshit. He's one of the best FC's I've seen, he's excellent in training new players on how to live in 0-space. Lots of good pilots leave SOUND to become great in other alliances because of SOUND's training.
DeleteXavierVE might be appearing to be an ass by this last comment he's made, but after months and months of dealing with lies, bullshit, and other retardedness (mainly from VOLT and YF -- YF being actually cool in the last few weeks until their exec decided to show his true colors again) I can completely understand his comment. Might have been harsh, but guess what, CVA drove him to that.
SOUND stands behind Xavier because UNLIKE 99% of the commenters here, SOUND members have actually BEEN THERE, witnessed the bullshit first-hand.
ok then lets say, hes acting like an asshole and it wasnt the first time he did so...his denial to compromise in the JF affair for example, which he made into 1 in the first place and took it over days, wasnt helpful to belie ppl that say otherwise...
Deletei know that especially Volt and Yousteal Faileration,
are full of retards and whiny bitches, but great lapdogs, that complain about almost everything, which is not going in their favour,
had to deal with it myself alot and others aswell, it can be very straining over the time, but when your an Leader AND Diplo, you have to act as such, as ppl will see you as the person you act like.
but with the machines that work today against smaller entities, that try to stick to that behavior that made Provi once great and respected by friends and enemies,
is a fight against windmills,
by all the abusive rules, entity cherrypicking and twisted sort of kos things,
which are illogical and stupid, but tried to be enforced big time, by the already returning overlord behavior of CVA, which once lead to a complete desaster, looks like history repeating.
discussions about all this happen on a daily basis and i can fully understand if someone gets really tired about that...
as i said, this is not the provi we once built in the good old days.
maybe were just not "modern" enuff, were to old fashioned and like to be respected and not beeing laughed at...
yes im mad.
Fucking CTA. That Mail bey Xavier shows that Sound stays true to the Providence thoughts. He might be a bigmouth ass, but he knows how dear we veterans hold providence and the idea behind it and he has my full support.
ReplyDeleteROFL right the rules state that you have to reimburse they staying true to their own rules.
DeleteNice try ...
The only true colors being shown here is Sound's. Being arrogant blowhards and starting shit for no reason with people, simply because they think they're entitled to push other people around out of some misguided sense of self-importance, is not only foolhardy but a disruption to the peace of the entire region.
ReplyDeleteInstead of doing the right thing and making peace with the neutral they killed, which would have avoided this entire debacle altogether, they decided to try and throw their weight around like immature brats as though everyone else should just put up with that kind of shit.
They deserve the eviction they're getting, just like a cancerous cyst that has to be surgically removed for the health and safety of the body as a whole.
Good riddance.
Well said
DeleteIf you´re not paying for it through the health plan, you pay for it in the emergency room.
ReplyDeleteI have a hard time deciding who is right in this situation as my opinion of SOUND isn't the greatest since my run in with a member stealing data cans while I was running the site. Guy thought he had exclusive rights to it because he pays rent, when CVA rules dictate if a friendly is running the site, don't steal from it.
ReplyDeletenobody pays rent in providence, sillypants.
DeleteSadly all you Provitwats are seeing CVA's true colors. They remind me of unbending renter-lords that AAA and co. where in the past.
ReplyDeleteThis image alone http://i.imgur.com/U7KNceX.png
shows that CVA is no better then any of the NBSI organizations. xHjfx, a profound CVA leader, should not be speaking like a King over his serfs. Same should be said about others.
I welcome the day NRDS is not associated with or represented by CVA. There are more worthy alliance to this including SOUND to do this. Time for CVA to just become a faction war alliance since that is what they have roleplayed since day one. Give up your sov, be shitlords over FW, you deserve it.
You, sir, clearly have no idea who or what CVA are. They were in Providence ever since- holders come, holders go, but cva was always there. They are the anchor of the whole region (The anchor of your AHAC fleet, to make it understandable to you...)
DeleteStill, it's silly to entitle this whole thing as a "sov war" as its only 2 (two) systems that Sound have. Yes they may be good guys altogether but if your leader is a twat and you do nothing to change his atitude or get rid of him, you are the ones to blame.
Anyway Providence is mostly a playground for tryhards and/or newbs. It sure is a nice place to dip into the 0.0 life and see how things work aslong as you are not involved in some sort of diplo or leadership stuff :)
I love how so many people took HJ's Game of Thrones joke (made in supposively secure forums mind you) to be a serious statement ...
DeleteLive in their space live by their rules. If Of Sound Mind don't like it then they will be shown the door.
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of crap. There was a Prov resident shooting a neutral, and he got punished for it. Having to reimburse his ship is stupid. Xavier had the right idea, CVA constantly plays favorites with their members and this is just another example.
ReplyDeleteThat Provi resident was won of several provi residents who shot the neut (who was also a provi resident). Only one of those several provi residents that shot the neut were killed a full minute after they had stopped shooting.
DeleteJust a little bit bias...
ReplyDeleteplease QQ more
ReplyDeleteGet real. In the heat of battle a neut was attacked. The nuet said I'm friendly. The attack was stopped. incident over. Then smack happened and they attacked and blew up a blue. New incident and they need to fix it. They didn't. Why? Because they are baby's fighting to win an arguement. Make it right or move out.
ReplyDeleteThey like to kill blues for no reason. It isnt the first, second or tenth time. You fags think every little thing deserves someone dying. Yall killed Heinrich because of smack talking? Who the fuck do you think you are? And then all your master does is shit talk everyone else. Seriously? Fucking idiots.
ReplyDeleteGood riddance. Looking forward to racking up OSM kills. Die motherfuckers.
Hell yeah!
ReplyDeleteProvi is NRDS yet favored CVA pets can shoot on neuts with out any real repercussions or having to use a KOS checker, so the guys who dealt with the real issues plaguing Provi space are considered the pariah now. What a fucking joke.
ReplyDeleteSuch bullshit.
After the other bullshit I encountered after coming back to EvE and resettling in Provi, it just made getting out of that joke of a NRDS block the smart and best thing to do. I am going to report was I posted at TM.com because it adds further proof to the CVA favoritism and elitism going on and shows the complete fraud of a shell CVA now resides in, compaired to years ago under Aralis's diplomacy:
"What's pathetically sad is TSOE lost a friendly indy group recently over CVA setting them red because this indy corp had teeth and assisted TSOE in taking down a RED POS that was put up, apparently at the permission of Jondar Valador of Intergalactic Crossing [ILCX], Curatores Veritatis Alliance [CVA]. This guy puts himself above the law, allowing reds to put up POS's in provi systems for who knows what reasons, then when he can't do anything to TSOE because of TSOE's pull in Provi, he goes after the indy folks TSOE allows to co-exist with them, setting them KOS, putting billions of assets at risk because Jondar Valador has some internet god complex when in reality it's clearly little man syndrome.
I played years ago in Providence, and enjoyed the NRDS policy under Aralis and his group of directors. I came back recently and the Providence isn't anything like what it once was. Personally I hope someone comes in and mows all the pompous cocks out of Provi and sets it up as their new rental home. Half the people living there would gladly pay to get rid of jackoffs that CVA is now infested with. It's a sad day when people of Provi would rather have CFC as their overlords than current CVA administration.
I've since joined a bigger, more aggressive pvp/indy corp and their NBSI policy makes life so much more beautiful in eve. :D"
QQ, cunt.
DeleteI'm not worried about it anymore Provibear. I'm already out of that shithole ;) Word is Delve may get put on the backburner.
Delete>implying EVE isn't real
ReplyDeleteI love reading shit like this.
I see Xavier & his friends are cryin´ rainbowtears already.. oh please CVA don´t slap his ass too much. I learned a lot from him & am still thankfull. Come to EC if y´all need a hug. xoxox
ReplyDelete....this logic is sound....
ReplyDeleteI like the "Well a Provi Blue shot a neut, therefore no reimbursement." argument. It shows how little you people read.
ReplyDeleteS3verance fleet and Sound fleet are hunting pirates using NEUT LOKIS to boost.
Both fleets engage pirate fleet at the same time.
Sound is using a NEUT LOKI and doesn't tell fucking anyone apparently.
It gets tackled, attacked, calls blue, fire ceases. Xavier gets bent out of shape and kills a blue.
Reimbursement called for, Xavier refuses.
Escalates.
We're now merrily structure bashing our way through there Sov and killing Bombers by the boat load.
somone did everything right =)
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